15 Jan 04 9:07 PM
Anyone want to take this on, or shall I relegate it to the Hutch?
15 Jan 04 9:41 PM
Reply To: 20242
I don't know about me taking this on, as I've never been too interested in Aragorn. He's always seemed a bit
Anyway, on to the topic of hand. Dwim said on the other thread:
but then there's the issue of how he would get out before starving to death not knowing where he was going;
Suddenly I'm remembering the scene in RotK movie where Smeagol and Gollum are conversing, and Gollum says "All she [Shelob] gets is orcs." To which Smeagol replies "And they doesn't taste very good, precious." Come to think of it, that could actually be an answer. Aragorn gets lost and is reduced to eating orcs. He'd probably starve first, I suppose, but that would be awfully selfish of him.
it also is problematic if his enemies are Orcs and would have no reason to really fear entering Moria--they could just keep chasing him or, if they preferred, camp out and prevent him from coming out for food).
We're assuming it's orcs that chasing him, and I'm not sure that need be the case. Wargs, perhaps, or some other less sentient creature?
This is to assume we want to keep Aragorn the pristine would-be-king figure. Who's to say Elrond didn't catch him and Arwen in a pre-marital tryst and all the Elves of Imladris are trying to catch him. All right, that one's a bit implausible because Aragorn has to interact with Elrond later and I can't imagine the incident would never come up. But something like that, where he's being chased not by orcs or the like but by angry villagers.
15 Jan 04 10:09 PM
Reply To: 20243
I don't know about me taking this on, as I've never been too interested in Aragorn. He's always seemed a bit Mary-Sueish to me. He's not a Mary Sue, but he seems to have that strain in him. He's just too perfect.
I'd argue that there's a long process of evolution behind him by this point in his career, in which he would've made his mistakes and screwed up royally a few times, but never badly enough to get himself killed or disgraced. Hence the interest in his earlier years, when he would've been absorbing the lessons that'd make him a king rather than being a king. Plus, mediaeval warfare=not nice. If we think he didn't torch a village or two or make some pretty hard, nasty decisions, I think we are wrong and need to look into how those decisions would've been undertaken. Which necessitates constructing them in the first place, which is half the fun, heh heh.
16 Jan 04 1:01 AM
Reply To: 20242
The particular scenario you've described is interesting and does beg to be written - but I think it's a little narrow for a challenge, focusing on one character. Why not broaden it to those other hints we have of people entering Moria?
There's Gandalf; Balin and his crew; Thror (or whichever dwarf it was who tried to sneak back in and had his head lopped off by orcs) - and you could even take it back to the downfall of Dwarrowdelf if you pitched the challenge as something like: Moria was not always evil, but then it became so - what was it like to visit this once great place that had fallen into fear and danger?
And you could widen it still further by including other realms that were once lovely but became evil or unsafe - Mirkwood, for instance, or Ithilien (oh for heaven's sake, Liz, not everything has to be Faramir related...!) which had to be abandoned because of the Nazgul at Minas Morgul and Sauron's activities
PS - what was the Elven name for Moria before it became evil (or did Durin really call his home "the black pit" on the inscription to the West-Gate?!?)
16 Jan 04 3:05 AM
Reply To: 20246
Originally it was Hadhodrond - 'underground city of the Dwarves'
Lyllyn - who gets even more geekish in the middle of the night.
16 Jan 04 3:32 AM
Reply To: 20247
Thanks Lyllyn - I thought there probably was one, but was too lazy to plough through the appendices or UT to find it when I knew someone out there would know the answer. I have done way too much "research" recently for fics to want to do any for casual enquiries. Let us celebrate your geekishness!
17 Jan 04 2:25 PM
Reply To: 20246
02 Feb 04 4:42 PM
Reply To: 20278
Good gad people. You already shovel out nuzgul by the ton - must you now add mind-reading capabilites to your repertoire as well??! ;)
I must confess. I am re-reading LOTR right now (I'm in ROTK) and as I hit that part in FOTR, the nuzgul BIT.
Unfortunately, it didn't bite with a specific plot idea. It bit with a "hmmm... we must ponder this, precious, yessss, we musssst..." And that's where it left me.
So... I would like to raise my hand... although I have absolutely no idea what it would be about.
I wish the Muse would be tad more specific...
02 Feb 04 6:08 PM
Reply To: 20716
Great, that's two or three people, I believe...?
Think of all the intriguing things you could do with this, folks. The Balin expedention alone would be fabulous—reopening all those closed chambers, trekking through the bowels of the earth, etc.