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Hands of the King

Kateydidnt - 20 Jan 06 - 12:06 AM

Ch. 16: Claims

I was just re-reading in chapter 16 where Denethor talks about a book copied out by the hand of Elrond. Given Finduilas' recent spree of giving books I can't get the thought out of my head that Thorongil might return the favor and give her a book from his home library-copied out (or written) by Elrond. 

I wonder, Finduilas and Denethor know as much as is possible for them to know at this point about Thorongil's true identity, would either's opinion change if Elrond were revealed as a supporter of Aragorn's claim to the throne?

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roh_wyn - 20 Jan 06 - 7:45 AM

Ch. 16: Claims

would either's opinion change if Elrond were revealed as a supporter of Aragorn's claim to the throne?

Ang will have more to say on this, obviously...but given Denethor's general suspicion of outsiders, I imagine he would react badly. Elvish meddling is just as bad as wizardish melding....

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Anglachel - 20 Jan 06 - 3:11 PM

Ch. 16: Claims

Hi Kate & Roh - thanks for the comments!

Thorongil probably wouldn't give her a book as he doesn't know that she knows about Elrond, he doesn't know about the book she and Denethor looked at, and he's not coming back to Gondor while she's alive once he leaves after Umbar. However, I can assure you that he does give her a few things, most importantly his trust. Though you've given me an idea for a future plot point...

There's a bit more to know about Thorongil's true identity, though it is mostly filling in the edges. He is the heir of Isildur, as shown by the Ring of Barahir, and that's all they really need. It does matter how he is the heir, whether by male or female line descent, as the Steward's line (in this story) does have a distaff relationship to the line of Anarion. This raises questions about who has the greater claim. My guess is that someone with direct descent from both Isildur and Anarion would out-rank someone with descent only from Anarion, even if they are distaff relationships.

Denethor would be more respectful of Elrond than of Gandalf, if only because he is a blood relative, but I don't think he'd care much for any outsider poking a nose into the affairs of Gondor.

If writing goes well, I should have a new chapter out this weekend that presents more information about Thorongil, and what Denethor can puzzle out from it.

Toodles - Ang

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Kateydidnt - 23 Jan 06 - 11:09 PM

Ch. 16: Claims

This raises questions about who has the greater claim. My guess is that someone with direct descent from both Isildur and Anarion would out-rank someone with descent only from Anarion, even if they are distaff relationships.

It also depends on which side of the fence you are on as to Isildur being High-King of Gondor and Arnor. If Isildur was High-King as his father was then it is his decision on the governing of both kingdoms, is it not?  So his lineage-the lineage of the High-King (distaff or no) would out-rank Anarion's descendants. (Of course this is my opinion without very much background knowledge...)

ERm, sorry...somewhat off topic

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