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Fallen

DKP - 30 Aug 08 - 9:39 AM

Ch. 18: Lighter

An odd sort of limbo: After everything that happened in Ch. 17 you'd think she'd feel this tremendous relief/weightlessness, but of course she can't. One, what happened is more complicated than that, and Two, there's still the waiting, the worrying about the ones you care about. You handle the strange atmosphere wonderfully, as always, and again when it ends. The final scene - I liked very much that it was Elloth.

I love the interaction with Bergil. There's so many layers I can think about in just this scene: the "pat" answer unthinkingly given, the way youth is no longer young when it survives a war, that this innocence is such a terrible loss that we try to preserve at least the illusion of it – and more for the adult's sake than the child's, at that. One question: Is this the day after Ch. 17 ends? Narrator refers to the gate falling as being yesterday, but Bergil says "the other day". Very small detail; I took it as being the very next day after the gate, before the man she rescued dies.

Love her meeting the Haradic man and his Dol Amroth guardian; the hard questions of why we go to war are seldom completely answerable. Maybe this will help her understand Beren's war experiences, too.

Amazing encounter with Valacar on the wall. *I* had vertigo, even if she didn't. "I would have married you." Oh, gosh, loved it; it was an excellent touch to a very taut and haunted conversation. Theirs is such an inspired relationship...

I can't wait to see her next conversation with Rohirric Guy, and when Beren comes home, of course, and *if* Laeron makes it back. My only complaint: please update more quickly! I promise to then review more quickly! Deal? :)

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EdorasLass - 20 Jan 12 - 10:49 AM

Ch. 18: Lighter

I am so very out of practice with thoughtful commenting, m'dear, so we'll see if I can get the hang of it again. J

 

I am sure it will not surprise you in the least to find that I am really fond of the discussion with the Amroth ..ian? soldier and the Southron.  I like that the soldier doesn't seem to have any prejudices at all towards the Southron, and does, in fact, seem to be worried about the other man's health.  I'd think that having someone more or less looking out for you after you were both just killing the hell out of each other on the battlefield  would be  moderately to extremely confusing.

 

And of course I like Narrator's very natural reactions to the Southron: apprehension and curiosity, and the desire to see him as something horrible, rather than a fallible human being like anyone else.

 

Dude, don't make people stand on the upper walls of Minas Tirith. It makes me nauseous and paranoid. J  But hurrah Valacar showing up and having no visible reaction, which of course is a) the exact thing to do in the situation, and b) very Valacar.

 

 

What was it like, when you killed that man?"

"It wasn't like anything."
"You can't mean that."

 

This is a lovely little exchange. I like Narrator is insistent that it has to mean something, because of course it meant something deeply psychological to her when she killed a man. While Valacar seems to have compartmentalized it neatly, just filed it away as no different than giving a patient a slightly-too-large dose of painkiller in order to keep the patient from suffering. Not

meaningless, of course, but not necessarily personally meaningful.

 

 It is interesting that she classifies that particular action of Valacar's as "killing", when IIRC, she didn't characterize other forms of euthanization that way.  Inducing an overdose is mercy; using a knife to accomplish the same thing for the same reason is not. And I'm also amused that either she doesn't think it a particular personal question, or she just doesn't care.

 

And HA the look on Valacar's face when she says  "I would have married you." J  Yes, when things like that come out of her mouth, it's no wonder he doesn't know what to say to her anymore.   I'd like very much to know how she was long before the Siege, when she was new to  training in the Houses and much younger.

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Aliana - 20 Jan 12 - 2:12 PM

Ch. 18: Lighter

Hi, EL!

 

I like that the soldier doesn't seem to have any prejudices at all towards the Southron, and does, in fact, seem to be worried about the other man's health. 

 

I'm glad you like them; I like them too!  I might need to write some more about them, in fact.

 

I'd think that having someone more or less looking out for you after you were both just killing the hell out of each other on the battlefield  would be  moderately to extremely confusing.

 

Yeah, seriously, though it would certainly give him a good impression of the Gondorians as human beings.  I imagine that Sauron fed all sorts of lies about the Gondorians and Rohirrim to the Haradrim, Khandians, etc.  (Just as the Gondorians, or at least Narrator, seem to be misinformed about the enemy.)  This is a good opportunity to set the record straight, on both sides.

 

Dude, don't make people stand on the upper walls of Minas Tirith.

 

But it's so much fun!  Valacar, however, seems to agree with you.

 

This is a lovely little exchange. I like Narrator is insistent that it has to mean something, because of course it meant something deeply psychological to her when she killed a man.

 

Well, to be completely fair, she may or may not have unnecessarily maimed him.  She didn't kill him, outright.  Splitting hairs, I know.  :p  I'm glad you like this conversation, though I think I may end up cutting it down a bit (not that exchange, though) as it now reads as quite long and rambly, to me.  I wouldn't say that it meant nothing to Valacar, necessarily; he just might not be willing to share it with her.

 

It is interesting that she classifies that particular action of Valacar's as "killing", when IIRC, she didn't characterize other forms of euthanization that way. 

 

This was actually a discussion several us had on the forums when that issue was first raised, re: passive versus active euthanasia and how we classify it.  (Interesting, but rather grim, needless to say.)  My views on the issue are still rather grey, even if Narrator's are not, in this case; though I tend to be sympathetic to Valacar.

 

Yes, when things like that come out of her mouth, it's no wonder he doesn't know what to say to her anymore.   I'd like very much to know how she was long before the Siege, when she was new to  training in the Houses and much younger.

 

To be fair to her, she probably wouldn't say things like that to anyone besides him.  Theirs is quite a strange little relationship.  I would say that when she was younger, she was, um, much more normal.  A very sweet kid.

 

Thank you very much for your detailed comments--quite thoughtful, indeed!

 

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